Horse bred with a Zebra?

magiesdream · 12-10-07, 02:07 PM

Near our home is a farm with TWO Zebra/Horses!!! I don't know a lot about this, and am not certain I condone the mixing of these species??? But I did find it interesting to see! One is Brown with the black striping, and the other is Grey with the black striping, and they both have the features of the Zebra! Can anyone tell me more about this unusual breeding? Thanks!

SaddleSore · 12-10-07, 03:25 PM

I personally think that the zebra hybrids are super cute! I love their little stripy colours. Some people call them a zorse but I have heard of Zetlands too (a zebra, Shetland cross), and the female has to be the horse at all times.

These crosses are rare because the two animals have different numbers of chromosomes, and the offspring has an amount somewhere in between. So for the mating to actually work is incredibly hit and miss.

Clover · 12-10-07, 04:21 PM

I have seen photos of these creatures, and I have heard of zonkeys too. They seem to happen accidentally when zebra are housed with other equines in zoo situations.

digit · 12-13-07, 12:05 PM

Wow, interspecies dating! lol. I wonder what would happen if our donkey and one of the mares got it on? I saw a picture of a zebra and horse hybrid, it was supercute.

tikitowel · 12-13-07, 08:53 PM

All zebra crosses are called zebroids in general, and many more colorful combinations related to the specific cross. They are rare but obviously possible, mostly due to the different number of chromosomes.

More info on Zebroids

Rider · 12-14-07, 11:21 AM

From the link given above, I would like to quote the hybrids of zebras:

Quote:

Zebra (stallion) + horse (mare): zorse, zebra mule, zebrule or golden zebra
Zebra (stallion) + pony (mare): zony
Zebra (stallion) + Shetland pony (mare): zetland
Zebra (stallion) + any ass species (jenny): zebrass
Zebra (stallion) + donkey (jenny): zedonk, zeedonk, zonkey, zebronkey, zebadonk
Zebra (mare) + donkey (sire): zebret, zebrinny
Zebra (mare) + horse (stallion): hebra

What would be the difference of a hebra and a zorse? Do you think it will produce the same physical features or different?

magiesdream · 12-14-07, 05:06 PM

Now I want a MUCH closer look at these two!!!! Just to see which they are!!! LOL Maybe one day....they seem to keep them all locked up and as far away from the road and the general public as possible. I guess maybe they had one too many people stopping? My daughter actually did get a good picture of one of them, but we lost it when our old computer crashed.....<sigh>

Buckskin · 12-14-07, 06:16 PM

There will be a difference between the hebra and the zorse, but I can't think what it would be.

In other interspecies crosses you see big differences depending on who the mother was. Compare tigrons and ligers.

moski · 12-14-07, 06:41 PM

If you cross breed like this, well I always thought there could be some bad consequences like the offspring would not make it, or would but with serious difficulty, is this not still true?

Timberlake · 12-15-07, 01:38 AM

Crossing different breeds always have a side effect. What might be cute and cuddly might have a downwards effect on the life quality of the animal, the strenght of the genes, or something like that.

Does anyone know if there is any research in to this zebroids?

magiesdream · 12-15-07, 11:01 AM

The only thing that I've "heard" about this is that once you've bred them, one time...you cannot bred the offspring again. Once is it. So there cannot be a long lineage, so to speak. I suppose that makes sense with the chromosome thing.

Unicorn · 12-15-07, 12:01 PM

This is the problem with cross breeding, there will be no purebreds. So you have to have a zebra and a horse just to produce a zebroid. But how do they do the breeding itself, it is through insemination or natural way of reproduction?

postit · 12-17-07, 09:41 AM

The difference between a hebra and a zorse is the sex of the pair. one is with a zebra stallion, the other a mare and the corresponding horse type. Crossbreeding is normally named for the male then the female, hence a zorse is a horse stallion+zebra mare while the hebra is a horse stallion+zebra mare. The donkey stallion+zebra mare doesn't follow this pattern, but I might guess this is due to the awkwardness of debra/donkra as possible typical names.

Clover · 12-17-07, 05:20 PM

When producing gametes, the chromosomes need to line up in pairs. Although the zebroids have all the genes they need to survive, they don't match up enough for meiosis to happen, so their gametes are duds. Basically.

I'm not sure about research into zebroids because they're relatively rare, but there is a lot of research on mules and their fertility. A few female mules have been fertile, but with vrey low conception rates, when mated to either a pure donkey or horse stallion. What's interesting is that the foal resembled a pure horse or donkey too, depending on what the sire was, suggesting that when the chromosomes lined up for meiosis, all the chromosomes from one parent went into the egg.

Horse Fanatic · 12-17-07, 07:46 PM

I have never seen an actual Zebra-Horse Crossbreed in my life, although I have heard of them!

Very fascinating I think. Do you know if any zoo's are known to have them for display at all?

12-10-07, 02:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
magiesdream Member Join Date: 12-06-07 Posts: 17	Horse bred with a Zebra? Near our home is a farm with TWO Zebra/Horses!!! I don't know a lot about this, and am not certain I condone the mixing of these species??? But I did find it interesting to see! One is Brown with the black striping, and the other is Grey with the black striping, and they both have the features of the Zebra! Can anyone tell me more about this unusual breeding? Thanks!

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Buckskin Member Join Date: 11-05-07 Location: Australia Posts: 125	There will be a difference between the hebra and the zorse, but I can't think what it would be. In other interspecies crosses you see big differences depending on who the mother was. Compare tigrons and ligers. __________________ Got carrots?

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12-10-07, 03:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
SaddleSore Member Join Date: 10-12-07 Posts: 233	I personally think that the zebra hybrids are super cute! I love their little stripy colours. Some people call them a zorse but I have heard of Zetlands too (a zebra, Shetland cross), and the female has to be the horse at all times. These crosses are rare because the two animals have different numbers of chromosomes, and the offspring has an amount somewhere in between. So for the mating to actually work is incredibly hit and miss.

12-10-07, 04:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Clover Member Join Date: 12-02-07 Posts: 25	I have seen photos of these creatures, and I have heard of zonkeys too. They seem to happen accidentally when zebra are housed with other equines in zoo situations.

12-13-07, 12:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
digit Member Join Date: 12-06-07 Posts: 26	Wow, interspecies dating! lol. I wonder what would happen if our donkey and one of the mares got it on? I saw a picture of a zebra and horse hybrid, it was supercute.

12-13-07, 08:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
tikitowel Member Join Date: 10-15-07 Posts: 42	All zebra crosses are called zebroids in general, and many more colorful combinations related to the specific cross. They are rare but obviously possible, mostly due to the different number of chromosomes. More info on Zebroids

12-14-07, 05:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
magiesdream Member Join Date: 12-06-07 Posts: 17	Now I want a MUCH closer look at these two!!!! Just to see which they are!!! LOL Maybe one day....they seem to keep them all locked up and as far away from the road and the general public as possible. I guess maybe they had one too many people stopping? My daughter actually did get a good picture of one of them, but we lost it when our old computer crashed.....<sigh>

12-14-07, 06:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
moski Member Join Date: 12-01-07 Posts: 30	If you cross breed like this, well I always thought there could be some bad consequences like the offspring would not make it, or would but with serious difficulty, is this not still true?

12-15-07, 01:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
Timberlake Member Join Date: 12-08-07 Posts: 13	Crossing different breeds always have a side effect. What might be cute and cuddly might have a downwards effect on the life quality of the animal, the strenght of the genes, or something like that. Does anyone know if there is any research in to this zebroids?

12-15-07, 11:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
magiesdream Member Join Date: 12-06-07 Posts: 17	The only thing that I've "heard" about this is that once you've bred them, one time...you cannot bred the offspring again. Once is it. So there cannot be a long lineage, so to speak. I suppose that makes sense with the chromosome thing.

12-15-07, 12:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Unicorn Member Join Date: 12-02-07 Posts: 13	This is the problem with cross breeding, there will be no purebreds. So you have to have a zebra and a horse just to produce a zebroid. But how do they do the breeding itself, it is through insemination or natural way of reproduction?

12-17-07, 09:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
postit Member Join Date: 12-01-07 Posts: 25	The difference between a hebra and a zorse is the sex of the pair. one is with a zebra stallion, the other a mare and the corresponding horse type. Crossbreeding is normally named for the male then the female, hence a zorse is a horse stallion+zebra mare while the hebra is a horse stallion+zebra mare. The donkey stallion+zebra mare doesn't follow this pattern, but I might guess this is due to the awkwardness of debra/donkra as possible typical names.

12-17-07, 05:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Clover Member Join Date: 12-02-07 Posts: 25	When producing gametes, the chromosomes need to line up in pairs. Although the zebroids have all the genes they need to survive, they don't match up enough for meiosis to happen, so their gametes are duds. Basically. I'm not sure about research into zebroids because they're relatively rare, but there is a lot of research on mules and their fertility. A few female mules have been fertile, but with vrey low conception rates, when mated to either a pure donkey or horse stallion. What's interesting is that the foal resembled a pure horse or donkey too, depending on what the sire was, suggesting that when the chromosomes lined up for meiosis, all the chromosomes from one parent went into the egg.

12-17-07, 07:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Horse Fanatic Member Join Date: 12-06-07 Posts: 25	I have never seen an actual Zebra-Horse Crossbreed in my life, although I have heard of them! Very fascinating I think. Do you know if any zoo's are known to have them for display at all?