Antivenoms Are Mostly Produced From Horses

BlackStallion · 08-28-07, 09:39 AM

Just an information about how horses are a very big help to humans especially in the medical world. Antivenoms are produced with the help of horses. Snake venoms are injected through the horse and the immune system of the horse produces antivenoms and that is where they get those badly needed antivenoms.

Harvest Fantasy · 08-31-07, 12:00 AM

But do I really want to know how / where the anti venom comes from in (or unfortunately out of....) the horse?

BlackStallion · 08-31-07, 10:54 AM

Maybe yes, maybe not, its up to you. I posted this information for everyone to see that horses are not only for racing, farms, trail hiking, or just pleasure of horseback riding. They are also a big help in the field of medicine where if there are so many lives being saved by these antivenoms that are produced from horses.

Speed Demon · 09-05-07, 11:23 PM

Somehow... this discussion really makes me ill. Should we really be using horses as a test dummy for venom injection crap?

Ugh...there has to be a better way than screwing around with horses like this. No offense BlackStallion, but this topic seemed a bit insensitive to me. This is a forum full of horse lovers, and any harm done to our horses is taken VERY seriously.

One More Lap · 09-08-07, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed Demon

Somehow... this discussion really makes me ill. Should we really be using horses as a test dummy for venom injection crap?

Ugh...there has to be a better way than screwing around with horses like this. No offense BlackStallion, but this topic seemed a bit insensitive to me. This is a forum full of horse lovers, and any harm done to our horses is taken VERY seriously.

That makes a lot of sense. In a way it seems as if they're being partially used as another form of a guinea pig, but not put down or not injected with anything - but rather things taken from them. What if they need what we're taking from them? Then what?

Speed Demon · 09-08-07, 10:34 PM

Thank you One More Lap, you seem to understand what I meant somewhat. This is cruel to use horses as some lab experiment, and it's really not very helpful to humans either.

BlackStallion · 09-09-07, 06:23 AM

Horses are not used as guinea pigs here. My point is they are a help to us humans in medicine as well. But I honor your opinions.

We do love our horses of course and we don't want to hurt them. Injecting them a little amount of venom is not hurting them because they have their natural way of vaccination in their body.

Here is one of the explanations on how do people get the much needed antivenom:

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Originally Posted by http://www.reptilepark.com.au/venom_production.asp

A simplified explanation of how the snake antivenoms are produced, is that extremely small amounts of say, tiger snake venom are injected into huge Percheron horses on a regular basis over a long period of time. The amounts are so small that the horses are not affected except that produces antibodies to counteract the foreign substance in its system. After some 10-12 months of this immunological 'conditioning', a small proportion of each horse's blood is removed and the plasma is extracted. This plasma contains the antibodies which, when injected into a snake bite victim, will neutralize snake venom.

**KCMO** · 09-09-07, 11:57 AM

Regardless of how any of you feel about this subject is no reason to chastise another poster for posting it. Its something that is done, whether its morally or ethically right or not is no reason to attack another member who is simply trying to create discussion on the site. Please keep this mind going forward.

**alexis** · 09-11-07, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Harvest Fantasy

But do I really want to know how / where the anti venom comes from in (or unfortunately out of....) the horse?

I would like to know everything this deals with, and if it hurts the horse or not.

Turbo Stallion · 09-12-07, 11:31 PM

I would like more details as well, but so far it doesn't sound very good

Either way, i'll hold back judgement until I can find out further details.

crazyhorse · 09-14-07, 07:47 AM

Well, this topic really creates discussion among members but not in a good way though. Let me join in by supporting BlackStallion.

This is what I found from my research on how they create anti-venom from horses: http://www.cdc.gov.tw/WebSite_En/Hea...%20Plasmas.doc

The flow chart clearly tells that the venom is non-toxin and the horse is absolutely safe from being poisoned. I hope this helps clear up things.

Speed Demon · 09-14-07, 10:35 PM

Black Stallion: I apologize if I seemed harsh before, but this is just a sensitive subject for me. Any sort of testing done on horses seems cruel to me, regardless of how much help it may or may not be to humans. Just my opinion, so don't take it personally.

Turbo Stallion · 09-15-07, 05:39 PM

Well, I read it and I still don't really like what I hear

Even still, people should make their own decisions on what's right or wrong.

The issue I had wasn't if Horses were or were not immune to poison, it was if we should be experimenting with Horses like this.

BlackStallion · 09-16-07, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbo Stallion

Even still, people should make their own decisions on what's right or wrong.

I absolutely agree to this sentence. I just posted it for everyone to know. Now that you don't agree with the methods of getting antivenom from horses then I have to honor your decision.

Anyway, there are other animals where we can get antivenom like sheeps and goats. Well I think you don't agree with any animal being used as an experiment. But honestly, if scientists would stop using animals as test subjects then human beings will be the one to be test subjects.

Hudsons Bolt · 09-17-07, 12:24 AM

I agree with BlackStallions' last comment, there's so many animals going on the extinct / endangered list because of us due to stupid things such as this or other careless reasons that yet we could have prevented them.

Many of us humans have strong immune systems, why not test us? Take our blood and play with it. We produce it all the time and never run out. Like common sense really.

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BlackStallion Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 37	Antivenoms Are Mostly Produced From Horses Just an information about how horses are a very big help to humans especially in the medical world. Antivenoms are produced with the help of horses. Snake venoms are injected through the horse and the immune system of the horse produces antivenoms and that is where they get those badly needed antivenoms.

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08-31-07, 12:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Harvest Fantasy Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 15	But do I really want to know how / where the anti venom comes from in (or unfortunately out of....) the horse?

08-31-07, 10:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
BlackStallion Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 37	Maybe yes, maybe not, its up to you. I posted this information for everyone to see that horses are not only for racing, farms, trail hiking, or just pleasure of horseback riding. They are also a big help in the field of medicine where if there are so many lives being saved by these antivenoms that are produced from horses.

09-05-07, 11:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Speed Demon Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 38	Somehow... this discussion really makes me ill. Should we really be using horses as a test dummy for venom injection crap? Ugh...there has to be a better way than screwing around with horses like this. No offense BlackStallion, but this topic seemed a bit insensitive to me. This is a forum full of horse lovers, and any harm done to our horses is taken VERY seriously.

09-08-07, 10:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Speed Demon Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 38	Thank you One More Lap, you seem to understand what I meant somewhat. This is cruel to use horses as some lab experiment, and it's really not very helpful to humans either.

09-09-07, 11:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
KCMO Administrator Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 50	Regardless of how any of you feel about this subject is no reason to chastise another poster for posting it. Its something that is done, whether its morally or ethically right or not is no reason to attack another member who is simply trying to create discussion on the site. Please keep this mind going forward.

09-12-07, 11:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Turbo Stallion Member Join Date: 08-11-07 Posts: 38	I would like more details as well, but so far it doesn't sound very good Either way, i'll hold back judgement until I can find out further details.

09-14-07, 07:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
crazyhorse Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 47	Well, this topic really creates discussion among members but not in a good way though. Let me join in by supporting BlackStallion. This is what I found from my research on how they create anti-venom from horses: http://www.cdc.gov.tw/WebSite_En/Hea...%20Plasmas.doc The flow chart clearly tells that the venom is non-toxin and the horse is absolutely safe from being poisoned. I hope this helps clear up things.

09-14-07, 10:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Speed Demon Member Join Date: 08-10-07 Posts: 38	Black Stallion: I apologize if I seemed harsh before, but this is just a sensitive subject for me. Any sort of testing done on horses seems cruel to me, regardless of how much help it may or may not be to humans. Just my opinion, so don't take it personally.

09-15-07, 05:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
Turbo Stallion Member Join Date: 08-11-07 Posts: 38	Well, I read it and I still don't really like what I hear Even still, people should make their own decisions on what's right or wrong. The issue I had wasn't if Horses were or were not immune to poison, it was if we should be experimenting with Horses like this.

09-17-07, 12:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
Hudsons Bolt Member Join Date: 09-08-07 Posts: 27	I agree with BlackStallions' last comment, there's so many animals going on the extinct / endangered list because of us due to stupid things such as this or other careless reasons that yet we could have prevented them. Many of us humans have strong immune systems, why not test us? Take our blood and play with it. We produce it all the time and never run out. Like common sense really.